Thursday, October 19, 2000

Kelsey, Bridgette, Lauren I. Discussion Page

63 comments:

  1. Hi Kelsi my name is Bridgette Richards. I am 15.5 years old and have a twin brother and 5 younger sisters. I play the violen and guitar but I'm still learning to play the guitar. I have 11 birds and a 3.5 feet long Iguana. I love to write and draw. I love listening to music and hanging with my friends and grandma. I also absolutely LOVE school and homework. My favorite subject is Science. I want to be a family doctor/OB doctor when I'm older!:)

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  2. hey whats up?
    My name is lauren! I'm 15.I am on the varsity volleyball team and also the varsity track team. I am tall, skinny,brown hair and blue eyes. I love to hang out with my friends and family. I love to eat! I am single but I like this guy. I like to listen to hip hop/ rap. My favorite movies are tranformers 1 and 2. I am pretty quite at school but when I'm not at school I can be really fun and outgoing. I cant think of anything else to say haha so talk to you soon! bye bye!

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  3. Hey my name is Mike Sorensen I attend Central High School and I am very active and I play lots of sports.

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  4. Hey Lauren, Bridgette, and Mike!
    My name is Kelsey I'm 16 and in grade 11. I love to play sports! I'm on the school soccer, basketball and track team. I live on a farm and have one younger brother. Wow Bridgette that's awesome that you have an iguana! I have a dog some cats and a rabbit. Lauren I love to hang out with my friends too. Mike what sports do you play?

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  5. Nice to meet you Kelsey!:)My birthday is May 4th, 1994! I have blonde hair, blue eyes but they change color at times and I'm extremely skinny. I love to play basketball but I can't anymore because I've had 3 surgerys on my right knee. It stinks because that's my all time favorite sport. I love to listen to rock and country and some hard metal:)

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  6. Impressions of Maycomb:
    Maycomb is a small, qiuet town where everybody knows everybody. It reminds me a lot of my home town and how it's rare to meet a person on the street who you do not know or who doesn't smile and say hi. Is your home town like this? Because everybody knows everybody in Maycomb the people who don't go out and socialize are automatically seen as different. The Radly's are viewed this way and the towns people also spread rumours about them. Like how Boo sneaks around at night. Even though they may spread romours, poeple in Maycomb seem very kind and respectful. They trust Mr. Radly when he says he will keep Boo locked up. They are also trying to teach their children to be respectful. When Scout is rude to Walter at lunch Calpurnia was quick to tell her that she shouldn't act like that.

    Social Issues:
    You can tell that there is separation between Black and White people. When Boo gets sent to jail they lock him up in the basement because that would be better than to be locked up with Blacks. However, I think Atticus is an admirable person for the way he treats Calpurnia. He considers her a member of their family and is sending a good message to his children. Do you agree? Another social issue is being cast as an outsider because of not being involved in the community. This is what happens to the Radly's becasue they never visit the neighbours and they don'to to church. I don't think it's right to judge people on what they do in their free time. Some people just aren't social and don't enjoy going out.

    Predictions About Boo:
    I think that eventually Boo Radly will come out. I think then Scout and Jem will become friends with him and find out that all the stories they heard weren't all that true. What do you think will happen?

    Description Of Boo:
    I picture Boo as a taller normal sized guy in his thirties. I dont think he would have the best personal hygeine and he would be weak because of not getting out for excercise or sunlight. I also think he is troubled because of what he did in his childhood but he is probably lonely and just looking for someone who isn't scared of him. How do you see Boo?

    Being An Outsider:
    An outsider is someone who doesn't fit in with everyone else around them. They are labelled as differnt and people are judging their every move. People become outsiders for not being like everyone else in the community. For example the Radly's are seen as outsiders for not being social and keeping to themsleves. There is nothing wrong with what they did yet people are upset with them.

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  7. Chapters 1-3

    Maycomb is a very small town and it sounds like they are having trouble in the town. In my opinion i dont think my town is like Maycomb. The Radly's are viewed as quiet people who keep to themselves but the rest of the town people are very cooperative with one another. Yes there is a seperation in the race of people. In this story the blacks are the inferior race. But why are the blacks any different from the whites? Boo rarely steps out of his house. I see him as a good person but alittle creepy in a way. An outsider is a peson who doesnt fit in with the other people in the town, who dont socalize like they should. And most of them just keep to themsvles. The outsiders are judged by the others in the town and in this story the outsiders are the radly's.

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  8. I'm sorry I put my comment about chapters 1-3 under the focus #1 questions. I just found out that your not suppose to do that but know I will start putting it under our group. Here's what I put for the last response for focus # 1:
    I have already read this book in 8th grade and enjoyed it very much. My impressions of Maycomb are it’s a friendly town and everyone talks all the time. It’s sort of like a big gossip town. The social issues are that the Radley’s never come out or talk. Now that Dill wants to see Boo Radley I think they will see him and go into his house. I would describe Boo as a nice, kind person who is shy. An outsider is someone who keeps to themselves and don’t talk to anyone. They are to shy to talk to others and have a social life.
    Yes..back then whites and blacks were treated differently....

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  9. Extend Questions:
    Important sentences chapter 1:
    "The Radlys, welcome anywhere in town, kept to themselves, a predilection unforgivable in Maycomb." This quote is important becuase it shows how the people of Maycomb view the Radlys.
    Chapter 2:
    "Miss Caroline told me to tell my father not to teach me any more, it would interfere with my reading." I picked this quote because i think that Miss Caroline should reweard Scout for being so smart, not punnish her.
    Chapter 3:
    "We couldn't operate a single day without Cal.... You think about how much Cal does for you, and you mind her, you hear?" I think this quote is important because it shows how much respect Atticus has for Calpurnia and how he treats Black people like they're equal. I think it's good he teaches his children this when society is saying the opposite.

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  10. Some of the pages that i found most humourous were at the start of chapter 4 when Dill comes back again for the summer. It reminds me of my childhood because we use to play games and make up stories just like Jem, Scout, and Dill do. I think the children are so obssesed with Boo because they know nothing about him except for these crazy stories that go around the town. Children have great imaginations and they want to know what Boo really looks like and if all the stories about him are true. I can relate to how they are feeling because when I was their age I would be wondering about Boo Radly too. Would you? We learned that Boo Radly is still alive in this chapter. Jem thought he died and they shoved him up the chimney, but Miss Maudie tells Scout that he is still living. She also tells Scout that all the stories they heard from Miss Stephanie Crawford are just rumours. Boo Radly doesnt sneak around at night looking in people's windows. I would describe Boo as shy, quiet, and misunderstood. I would describe him like this because he never leaves his house, but people also make up all sorts of rumours about him which aren't even true. I think that Harper Lee thinks education is important but the schools aren't doing a very good job at educating the children. Inexperienced teachers like Miss Caroline with her new teaching methods isn't helping the kids learn. I would agree with her that education is important. Education is different today because we have to go to school for more years before we graduate. As well, back then more students would drop out and get jobs to make money to help their families. Now you need an education in order to get a decent job.

    Expand:
    I think the novel frames issue in courage because Atticus has Capurnia as his housekeeper. She is black and at this time Blacks and Whites were very separated. White people were seen as superior. I think Atticus is very brave for hiring Capurnia and not treating her as a slave, but as a member of their family. Jem and Scout are also very courageous and have learned from their father. Scout is not afraid to keep on reading and learning even though the teacher told her not too. Jem also takes many dares and never backs down. He is also very caring though when he invites Walter over for lunch at school one day. I think the most corageous character so far is Scout just because of all she has accomplished and how she is just like one of the boys and will do whatever they do. I think the most cowardly character so far is Boo because he hasn't left his house in years or faced the towns people. Who would you pick?

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  11. Hi... This book is really starting to get intresting. Here's what I have found:
    One of the humorous pages is when Dill comes back to Maycomb for the summer. Immediately Jem, Scout, and Dill start telling stories and acting them out. I find this humorous because almost all little kids like acting things out to pick on the older people or kids there size. I did that a lot when I was younger because of the way my parent brought us up. I would pick on them and then on my brother or other sisters. I found it fun until I got in trouble when my dad asked what I was doing. How Jem and Scout get along are similar to how my brother and I got along but now we just don’t get along anymore. Scout is like me in a way when I was younger because I did some of the things she does. I think they are obsessed with Boo because they have heard interesting but spooky stories about him and they don’t even know what he looks like or who he really is. I never had anything like this in my childhood. I was always putting myself out there to be noticed because I hated to be alone but I never got in any trouble at school. YES… actually at my house there are a couple of myths. We live on a farm and are renting the one house and the other house on the property isn’t always rented out. Anyways our landlord says he thinks there are ghost in our house because a couple of his family members died in this house. Once in a while my family sys we feel someone watching us and there’s nobody around. I have learned that Boo might be friendly instead of a killer. He has put gifts in the tree knot for Scout and Jem. He has stitched up Jem’s pants and folded them neatly over where they were stuck before. I think she could careless because she lets the Ewells get special treatment so to say but the Finch family must follow the law. The law says that the kids have to go to school if you’re a common folk. Also Harper makes sure the reader knows who can and can’t go to school but then its confusing at the same time. The reason is because if common folks have to go to school then why does Walter Cunningham have to go because his family is very poor? Its like Harper is making the Cunningham family look bad don’t you think? Also in MayComb you don’t learn how to read or write till 6th grade and if you ask me that’s not smart. Like they say you can’t teach an old dog new tricks and by 6th grade you should already know how to so your not thinking slowly what letter/number is what letter/number. I love school and the education/homework because you can feel really smart at times. Also you can learn knew things to use later on in life when you need them the most. So in school you should defiantly try learning as much as possible at a young age. That's the smartest thing to do.

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  12. Expanded:
    If you think about it...it is sad how African Americans were treated back then. Calpernia is lucky and gets treated the same way everyone else is treated in Maycomb. She is like a mother to Jem and Scout. Calpernia attends to favor Jem just because he was the most behaved. Calpernia and Scout would always have fights but Calpernia always won because Scout's dad always took Calpernia's side. Boo, I think is a little scared because he might think that the towns people won't like him very much...

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  13. Chapters 4-7

    The children of maycomb are obessed with boo because they have no idea what he looks like or how he really acts all they have heard are stories that they heard from other people in the town which could some of the things the people are saying be jusy a lie? I would have to agree with kelesy because i was very curious when i was younger. Some people like jem thought that boo had died but she then found out it was not true and that he was still alive. Boo seems very quite he keeps to himself because he alwasy stays in his house and never leaves. I kinda feel bad for him because people are just making up rumors that might not be true.
    i dont think that the children will learn much with the new teaching method. But it is important to get a good education cause it could pay off in the future because you could get a job when you are older and you would need some education of some sort.

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  14. I think it's important for every child to get an education and yes i agree that teaching them to read and write in grade 6 is way to late. I think that it's a good thing that Walter is going to school so he could maybe get a better job when he is older and help his poor family out. I also think that some of the stories going around the town maybe aren't lies but they have been stretched and changed by each person telling them. It's just like if you hear a little rumour, eventually it keeps growing until it's nothing like it was at the start.

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  15. I think the story wouldn’t be near as good if it was told from Dill or Boo’s point of view. I like how it’s told from a young child’s perspective and then parts of it is Scout looking back at her childhood. It would be interesting if Boo told the story because then you would find out more information about him. We could also find out what kind of a person he really is. I don’t think that Dill could tell the story very well because he is only there in the summer and misses a lot of the other action that goes on. Who do you think should tell the story?
    This quote means that you shouldn’t judge a person until you put yourself in their shoes for one day. If you don’t understand what they are going through you might have misinterpreted the situation and said things that aren’t true. Don’t judge a book by its cover.
    I think Harper Lee would use a child because the character is innocent and gives an honest opinion on everything that is happening in her small town. As well, Scout doesn't know all of the racism that is going on in Maycomb and we meet all the charcters and learn with her. The child is better that just an adult reflecting on their childhood because of all the different angles the child can give. You have to understand that Scout is grown up now and retelling her childhood because some of the lines show that she is thinking back and not just saying what she did today. For example, "In later years, I sometimes wondered exactly what made Jem do it..." (pg.136). A good work of historical fiction lets you know what it was like to live in this time period. Harper Lee does a good job of describing life in the Southern United States in the 1930's. You learn of all the issues going on and the story could very well be non-fiction.

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  16. Chs.8-11
    Chapters 8-11 are very interesting. You learn new things about Boo and who he really is. It was very cool how Scout described there first snow fall and the fire. Everyone working hard to get it out so it wouldn’t spread in the little town. Boo’s point of view in my opinion would be boring because in the first place Boo doesn’t really come into the novel till near the end. Then Dill just acts like the center of attention so he wouldn’t really do anything to make the novel interesting. In my opinion it means you shouldn’t judge until you now what is really happening in their life is what he’s telling her. I stick to that whenever people judge me for who I am. I don’t think its right to judge don’t you think? He means from their perspective; the way they see things. It comes in by the fact that everybody sees things differently no matter who you are. Everyone has their way of doing thing and judging someone can really hurt people to the point of doing something stupid and know one wants that to happen.

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  17. Chapters 8-11:
    I've learned new things about Boo and Aunt Alexandra. She favors Francis word over Scouts' and if you ask me that is mean. I also learned that Boo is actually a gentlemen and not this "KILLING MACHINE" Everyone talks about evrthing that happens. So there's many rumors around Maycomb. Then Scout and Jem got scared because of the fire that started. What do you think about the fire? I think it symbolizies something in the book later on. Also Boo smbolizes something very important later on I think. I don't know what but I have a feeling:) What do you guys think about Boo? There are also many judgements in that little town too.

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  18. Evalutating..
    This is the best blog I've seen so far! You are all continuing the discussion by asking and answering questions.
    Kelsey you are doing a fantastic job. I'm beginning to think you should teach other students in our grade how to blog! You are asking and answering questions and also using quotes from the novel to back up your thoughts.
    The only thing I can tell you is to make more personal connections to the novel. Other than that your doing an awesome job! Keep up the good work :] кคtгเภค

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  19. you guys did very good but you have to remember to continue the sentence, but it was good. i will give you a 3

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  20. Chapters 8-11 Focus #3

    I agree with Kelesy on the story being told in a child's perspective. I think it makes to story alittle more interesting then if a adult in the story would be telling the story. I would also have to agree that it would also be interesting if boo radley had been telling the story but i dont think that it would have been that interesting to read if other characters in the story would have been telling it because there could be some boring things coming from the other characters. Harper lee is an adult telling the story as a child, so that adults and children could both have two different point of views while they read the book. I would have to agree with Bridgette about the fire story and the snow story that the kids expierenced, I thought it was fun and very interesting to read about.

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  21. I never thought about the fire foreshadowing an event later on but that would make sense and I think it will happen too.

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  22. I believe that the antagonist in the novel is Aunt Alexandria because she is very controlling and is trying to turn Scout into something she isn’t. She is very strict and also gets upset with Atticus for not raising his children right but I think Atticus is a good father. Do you? As well, she doesn’t treat Calpurnia well and that sends a bad message to the children. They have always thought of Calpurnia as a part of their family and it is upsetting for them to see her being treated disrespectfully. I think Aunt Alexandria has good intentions, she just wants to turn Scout into a young lady, but that’s not who Scout is and she has to learn that. With her moving in there is a lot more tension in the house and the family is fighting a lot more. Who do you think is the antagonist?

    Aunt Alexandria makes Scout feel bad about herself because she is always trying to change who she is and is constantly yelling at her. For example she tells her to stop wearing pants and to start wearing dresses and tells Atticus “… you’ve got to do something about her…. You’ve let things go on too long, Atticus, too long.” (pg 182). This also makes Atticus grumpy for a little while and he treats the children differently then he usually does. This upsets Scout until Atticus realizes that his sister isn’t right and he goes back to his old ways. Scout needs Atticus because she relies on his support and wisdom and he supports who she is and loves her.

    The characters make this a good work of historical fiction because they all fit the different stereotypes that were in the South at this time. Aunt Alexandria is like most people at this time who are racist and are set in the way of life that has been around for years. She also wants to make sure the kids know that their last name is Finch and they have to live up to the name. Then there is Scout, Jem, and Atticus who are a minority right now at this time. They treat everyone with respect and are not racist. They are helping to change things and make them better for the future.

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  23. What characters would you guys like to do? I'm interested in Miss Maudie and Calpurnia.

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  24. I'm diffently digging Scout... There are a couple of reasons. Reasons are:
    1) She's very adventures..even though she get's scared.
    2) She stands up for what she believes and isn't afraid to speak out.
    3) She knows how to stand her ground.
    4) She's not afraid of Mrs.Dubose or anybody else.
    5)And I love her personality toward the family, her "boyfriend"(Dill) and her friends.
    She also wants to see Boo even after some of the stories she's heard from some of the towns' people.
    Kelsey, why are you intrested in Miss. Maudie or Calpurnia? What about you Lauran? What kind of person are you guys seeing in Boo? I think he is a really nice and friendly guy. I also think he'll be there for Scout and Jem or even everyone else if they need the help.

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  25. Hey,
    I agree wuth you 100% about Aunt Alexandra and the others; Kelsey. My question to you is who do you feel bad for the most? You can answer to Lauren. How do you guys feel about Calpurnia? I feel really bad for Calpurnia because she has to live through this mess and she's not like the other African Americans or the Finch family. Atticus says, "Your aunt has asked me to try and impress upon you and Jean Louise that you are not from run-of-the-mill people, that you are the product of several generations' gental breeding." (pg. 133).
    I think the Aunt needs to get out of that house big time because she is ruining Atticus and his kids relationship very slowly. Atticus didn't even want to say what he said but once again their aunt is being super controlling. How do you guys think Jem and Scout feel?
    Jem, Scout, and even Boo is trying to change alot of things in Maycomb because there is to much drama going on. How are you guys liking this book?

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  26. Final Focus #4...

    As I read this book over and over again I see only a couple things that make this book the way it is. The protagonist for one. That I have to say is ultimately Jem, Scout and Boo. This is because they help one another out, they stick up for friends, family and others (maybe not Boo in the beginning but near the end he does).
    Also the antagonist which ultimately I think is Mrs. Dubose, Nathan Radley and Aunt Alexandra. This is because Nathan isn’t nice to anyone, Mrs. Dubose picks on Scout, Jem a lot and Aunt Alexandra because she keeps judging Scout and picking on her just because she’s not a girly girl. I think Calpurnia plays a big role in Scout and Jem’s life because she teaches Jem and Scout about what is good and not good plus she let’s Jem and Scout experience things that they never thought about experiencing. For example: When Scout’s dad goes away for two weeks they get to go to the church and see how the African Americans do things. I think that is really cool. Also I think Scout is learning a lot from going to church with Calpurnia and the talk by Atticus.
    I would like to do Boo Radley and Calpurnia. I think Calpurnia is very lucky. She isn't getting treated like the other Africans. I feel really bad for the Africans you are getting treated badly. Also how do you feel about Calpurnia's "second language" at the church? What do you guys think about the way First Purchase African M.E Church does things?

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  27. I think it would be interesting to do Calpurnia and I agree with Bridgette that Boo would be a good one to do too. I just thought it would be neat to do Miss Maudie because I think she has a lot of information to give Scout and Jem about Boo. I also feel bad for Calpurnia because of the way she is treated outside of the Finch's home. But after Aunt Alexandria moves in she isn't even respected there. I think she is a hard worker who always does whats best for the children. I also feel sorry for Scout and Jem for all the critism they get from Aunt Alexandria. As well, they get bugged at school and around the town because of Atticus and who he's defending. They should not be punished for what their father does. Atticus is doing the right thing but it doesn't seem like it because of the reaction from the towns people. I also agree that Aunt Alexandria needs to leave! She is putting a lot of stress on Scout and Jem and their family is fighting a lot more which never happened at the start of the book. I think it's interesting how the First Purchase African M.E Church does things. I think that it's good that they raise money for those who need it, but on the other hand most of the people attending that church dont have a lot of extra money to spare. It reminds me of just one big family where everyone helps everyone out when they're in trouble. I am really enjoying this book so far.

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  28. Hey,
    I agree that the Church does things weird but that's the way things have to be sometimes unfortunately . Now because of Aunt Alexandra there are way more stress then needed and Jem and Scout can't put up with that. If you ask me for this part of the book; like chapters 12-14 should be changed a little bit. Changing it a little to make it more interesting for this part would be better then what happens.

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  29. The protagonist of the story is Scout. She is a little girl who is very smart and wise for her age. She is tough and will always stand up for what she believes in. She looks up to her father and her older brother Jem. She is very adventurous and loves to play outside with Jem and Dill. She is always learning new things and is very curious. She is my favourite character in the story. What about you guys? The antagonist in the story is Aunt Alexandria. She moves in to “help” Scout and Jem but really she just makes their lives more stressful. She puts a lot of pressure on them and doesn’t understand who Scout really is. Scout is not interested in being a girly girl and Atticus understands this and doesn’t want her to change. I think that Aunt Alexandria could do a lot of damage to their family.

    Character Study Calpurnia:
    Calpurnia is a big part of Scout's life and she is the mother figure in the household. She knows that Scout doesn't want to be a lady and doesn't try to change her unlike Aunt Alexandria. Scout gets upset with Calpurnia from time to time when she gets her in trouble for her actions, but overall she loves her. Calpurnia is a strong woman who is a hard worker and a good caregiver. She cares for Jem and Scout and is teaching them to respect her people and she takes them to different functions like church with her. Without Calpurnia the Finch home would not opperate as smoothly as it does. She is a big part of their lives.

    Boo:
    No one knows much about Boo Radly just all of the crazy rumours and stories that circulate around the town. At the start of the story Boo is described as a scary monster who would kill you if he had the chance. The children are fascinated with Boo because they want to see if all the stories about him are really true. Later on we find out that Boo isn't that bad after all when he gives Scout a blanket the night that Miss Maudie's house burnt, and he mended Jem's pants for him. I think Boo will come out of his house soon and will help the children becuase he has already shown signs that he is a caring person who just wants to help. I think he is tired of all the rumous going around that aren't true and all the people being scared of him.

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  30. final focus #4 chapters 12-13

    I would definately have to agree with both of you on the Aunt being the antagonist in the story. To me she brings little negativity into the story by disrespecting Calpurnia and trying to turn the children into something they aren't. I am so glad I dont have a Aunt like that. I would have to agree with Bridgette on feeling bad for Calpurnia because the aunt has no respect towards her at all and she treats her like she isnt part of the family unlike the others in the family who think she is a big part of the family. I would also have to agree with both of you again on how the family's relationship changes when the aunt is staying with them.

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  31. Hey,
    Yes...For sure. I'm glad none of my Aunt's are like that either. I'm not a violent person nor do I want to be but personally I would have either punched or slapped the Aunt by now. Then I would yell at her and tell her; "I'm aloud to grow up the way I want and Calpurnia is a good person so you need to rethink your theory about Calpurnia, Atticus, Jem and I." That would have been my exact words to Aunt Alexandra if I was Scout.

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  32. Final Focus #5...
    In the part where there is the mob scene with Mr. Walter Cunningham, it’s important I think because it kind of hints at what will be coming late in the book. I think Atticus teaches that because he’s trying to tell us what was going on, how to act, and what we have to do when times like that is hard. He also means that you have to stay focused with the character. What do you guys think about Atticus’s words? In a dangerous situation there can be many side effects. In the case with Atticus, Scout is mature and doesn’t get crazy. She helps out by talking to Atticus while Mr. Cunningham just sits there. An individual in society would be someone who has their own state of mind and doesn’t worry about what people say. What do you think about Tom? Do you think he is innocent or guilty? Mr. Cunningham then gets in trouble by Atticus for trying to kill Tom.

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  33. Extended:
    Coming of age means a time when a child starts maturing. Jem does a lot but most of all he stands his ground in what he believes in. He loves his dad and will always defend him and Scout. Jem learns that blacks aren’t treated equally back during this time. He talks to Atticus and he’s not scared of the “Mobs.” “Today I helped my dad out when he was in trouble. He was “babysitting” Tom so that there wouldn’t be in deaths and Tom gets the trial he deserves. I was able to see first hand what Adults have to go through when they have to do something that they don’t want to do. And now I know there are many responsibilities adults have. And that there are good and bad people out there. I realize this is not a good time with not a lot of money in all but that everyone tries.”

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  34. Jem’s Coming Of Age:
    · Wants to spend more time alone and not playing with Scout
    · Difficult to live with
    · Moody
    · Big appetite
    · Tells Scout how to act
    · Makes his own decisions ( when he decides to sneak out and go to the courthouse)
    My Coming Of Age:
    I think most teenagers go through stages similar to Jem’s. What do you think? As I got older I wanted to spend more time alone and not playing with my little brother all the time. I don’t think I was as moody as Jem is and I don’t boss my brother around. However, being the older sibling you have to be there to support your family and give them guidance from time to time. I don’t think Jem should comment on everything Scout does but it’s good he looks out for her. Do you guys agree? I also think that as you get older you become more independent and start to make your own decisions.
    Dear Journal,
    Tonight was a night I won’t forget in a long, long time. I don’t know why but I just had a feeling that something wasn’t right when Atticus was out so late. So I decided to go out and see what was going on. Of course Scout and Dill had to tag along like they always do. When we got downtown we hid around the corner from the jail so Atticus wouldn’t see us. What we saw next shocked us all. Atticus was sitting in front of the jail reading the paper when a car of angry men pulled up. I knew all of them and I realised how serious this case was. Atticus could be in a lot of trouble, in fact we all could be. Scout of course couldn’t handle all this and her and Dill burst away from me and ran towards Atticus. I tried my best to stop them, but I couldn’t yell to loud and give away my spot. Eventually I followed after so I could help out Atticus. The men immediately told Atticus to send us home and one even grabbed me by my collar and threw me around.Scout wasn't too happy about that and proceeded to kick the man in the shins. Attcius got her settled down and begged me to take them home, but I wasn't going anywhere. I knew that my father was in danger and I wasn't going to leave him. You could feel the tension in the air and I was just waiting for one of the men to snap. Then Scout did something I never seen coming. She just began talking to Mr. Cunningham like he wasn't part of some mob threatening our father. She talked about Walter and then started going on about how entailments are bad. The whole group of men, Atticus, Dill, and I were shocked. No one spoke, we just stood around with our mouths open. I think Scout's innocence made the men realize just what they were doing and how wrong it was. Finally, Mr. Cunningham squatted down and told Scout he would say hi to Walter for her. Then he gathered up the mob and left. I would have never guessed that it would be Scout who would save the evening, but I'm sure glad she was there.

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  35. I think the mockingbird represents Tom because of how earlier in the book they talk about how mockingbirds don’t do anything wrong they just make music. This is like Tom. He hasn’t done anything wrong, yet they have accused him of this awful crime. He was just living his life and not bugging anyone. I don’t think it’s fair how the whole town considers him guilty when the trial hasn’t even happened yet. What do you guys think? As well Atticus says that it is a sin to kill a mockingbird. “ Shoot all the bluejays you want, if you can hit’em, but remember it’s a sin to kill a mockingbird. (pg 119). Miss Maudie backs up Atticus by saying “ Mockingbirds don’t do one thing but make music for us to enjoy.” I also think that the mockingbird represents innocence. That would also represent Tom because he is fighting for his innocence in the trial.
    Scout: Is full of adventure and wonder, loves to play games and create stories, is very intellegent and wise.
    Jem: He is a leader and adventure seeker, looks out for Scout, smart and athletic.
    Atticus: Is wise and a good father, he is smart, can see the way that society should be and is looking for change.
    Calpurnia: Great with the kids, intelligent, brave and strong.
    An individual in society is someone who doesn’t fit in with everybody else. They are unique in different ways and some people look down on them because of this. They don’t have a lot of friends and are alone.
    Atticus’ character is not like the stereotypical view of masculinity because most people think a “real man” is really strong and muscular. Atticus is older and not as strong as he use to be, but he has some traits that really make a man. He does not judge people and passes these important messages on to his children. He is smart and wise and is a great father. He knows what the right thing to do is and will always do it, even if he will be punished for it. He stands up for what he believes in which I think is a really important quality. What about you?

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  36. Kelsey,
    I agree with you 100% and you are exactly right. Jem is an odd character but he is one of my favorites. Jem's coming to age:
    1) Starting to mature
    2) Realize what life is really like for adults
    3) Grumpy
    4) More responsibility (still getting yelled at)
    5) Standing up for Scout and Dill
    6) Hard to understand
    7) Making new friends
    8) Difficult on so many different levels
    9) Starting to get own opinion on things
    and so many more things.
    My coming of age:
    I have to say my coming of age started when I was between 7 and 11. I have to say though there was things I did and didn't like about my family and still don't. Anyways, I was grumpy all the time and didn't care about anything or anyone around me except for my closer friends. I would be very moody, had my own opinion on things and would always put in my two sense worth. See in my family, my dad wears the pants and you either listen and do as your told or you get spanked or grounded. Of course I don't get spanked anymore because I'm to old but I have five little sisters to look out for. Yes, sometimes they are annoying and I want out but I love them dearly and I look out for them. You could call me there mother because my mom has to work and go to school. I say 7 because that's when I started to learn how to cook, change dippers, and feed my sisters. I have to say I didn't like my coming of age...If there was one thing I could change it would defiantly be that and other things.
    Dear Journal;
    Tonight as I laid in bed thinking I realized I need to go see where my father was. I got up and of course Scout bothered me about going and then Dill wanted to come. We snuck out the back and down the street till we came to his office and saw him by the courthouse. He was reading his paper and watching out to make sure no one hurt Tom. Then I saw this dark car pull up and everyone got out. One of the guy's out of all that I knew, was Mr. Cunningham. In the mean time Scout and Dill ran to Atticus. I stayed tucked away but then ran towards to stop Scout and Dill. He wanted to get in and kill Tom. I couldn't believe how Scout stood up for Atticus. After Atticus talked to him he left. It was amazing and then finally I took them home. Scout, Atticus, and I had a conversation about what just happened. This will be one night I won't forget. On top of it all No one got hurt and I was still scared after it ended…I really hope everything goes okay:)

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  37. final post #5

    Some examples that I picked up while reading about Jem growing older were that he is eating alot more and that he doesn't want to hang around scout anymore. I kinda acted like jem when I was around his age but now i am like always talking to my sisters. The whole mob scence was ineresting. I thought that atticus was seriously gonna get hurt but thanks to jem and scout nothing happened like that. I think that the kids pretty much saved atticus. During that part of the book Jem didn't say much to the mob or atticus, it was mostly scout talking.

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  38. Sorry, forgot to put Final post #5... My November 23, 2009 5:30 PM is my Final Post #5.I will remember to put it on next time...
    LOL:(SORRY

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  39. Focus 7:
    One adult that changes their views during the story is Mr. Cunningham. He is one of the leaders of the mob and is threatening Atticus. However, when Scout talks to him he realizes what he and the other men are doing is terribly wrong. It takes the innocence of a child to bring him back to his senses. His view is changed and he gets the other men to back down. Scout is the child who changes her views in the story. Scout has grown up with a lot of stereotypes in her small town. She hears white people speaking badly about the white people but because of Atticus her views are changed. Scout respects everyone and doesn't judge people based on the colour of their skin. However, when Scout is at the trial I think she realizes just how different the rest of the white people in town think compared to her family. They all discriminate against blacks and in some cases are just cruel. I don't think she knew how bad things were in society. What do you think?

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  40. Extend for Ch. 16-19
    Hey,
    How are you liking this book? Now that during this big trial everyone is talking about and everyone but a few think Tom is guilty when he didn't doo anything...What do you think about this? Meaning do you like the fact that he's getting blamed for it just because he's an African American or not? In my opinion and mine only I think its not right that even though they have a different color skin they should have been equal just like the whites. That really ticks me off the way history and people acted and really there's nothing wrong with them.

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  41. Hey I'm really enjoying this book! Yes I definitly agree with you that it's not fair how Tom is disgriminated against becuase of the colour of his skin. It upsets me to think of all the innocent lives that were lost during this time because of unfair trials and other events.

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  42. Hey,
    Yes...As much as I love this book it makes me mad about everything that happened with colored people. I'm glad your loving this book:) Lauren, what about you? What are your feelings about the book, Tom Robinson, ect.

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  43. Hey,

    I would have to agree with you Bridgette and Kelesy about getting mad about the colored people problem. I have always hated that and I have never really understood it. I dont get why they cant just get along. Im glad there isnt a problem like in our town. This book is pretty good but it hasn't caught my greatest interest.

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  44. Chapters 16-19

    During the trial I think that Tom is charged as guilty because of his color there possibly maybe be acouple other reasons but color is definatley a reason in my opinion. It makes me mad to hear that they didn't take Mayella to the doctor. There is really no proof that he did it because there are no pictures of the girl after she was beat up or there was no records of her being in a hospital after the rape happened. How do you feel about this?

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  45. I also think that they should of took Mayella to a doctor because that would prove to the jury that Tom never did anything. It upsets me how obvious it is that Tom is innocent and that Mayella was beat up by her dad, and yet the people of Maycomb still can't see past the colour of Tom's skin. I'm also gald we don't have problems like this in my town but it's sad to think that they still do in some areas.

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  46. Focus 8:
    Which point do you guys think is the major turning point of the novel? I think right now the major turning point is the trial. After the trial people view the Finch’s differently and Scout realizes how unfair life is. She knows that Tom is innocent and it bothers her to think that he was not a free man. Scout is growing up and losing her innocence. As well, this is when most characters have to make a decision. They have to choose if they think Tom is guilty or innocent. When the people do decide I think it shows how racial Maycomb is. Most people decide their opinion based on the colour of Tom’s skin which isn’t right. The trial also heats the story up and makes it more interesting.

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  47. Hey,
    I defiantly have to agree...without to much detail or conversation I understand more then anyone could imagine and I don't want that to happen again. I feel Mayella deeply and it is a shame about how Tom has to go through misery when it’s obvious that he didn't do that to Mayella and yes it’s just because he's an African American.

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  48. Hey,
    Final focus #8
    During the trial Atticus is questioning Mayella, Tom Robinson, Bob Ewell, and the sheriff of Maycomb. What they don't understand, in my opinion is that Mayella is still at a fragile age and that's why she gets scared of Atticus? Tom is obviously a very nice guy and wouldn't dare to hurt Mayella because he doesn't roll like that. He just got blamed because he is an African American and was in that place at the wrong moment. Bob Ewell is this guy who is always chewing and drunk. He hates blacks and that is very mean because they did nothing to deserve this stupid nonsense. The sheriff should not have reported it because he had no proof that the incident really accord. Okay, so in this part of the story when Atticus states this, he seems to know what he's talking about and is understanding. I think Atticus loves everyone in Maycomb no matter what. It is weird the way he acts especially towards blacks. It's rude how Bob Ewell spits on Atticus for defending Tom and gets away with it but OH no the minute a black touches a white person it's the end of the world. It drives me crazy to think that people can get away with things like Bob Ewell does. I hate the fact that the trail wasn't kept a secret and that Mr. Ewell can't keep his hands off his daughter. What do you guys think?
    I guess that's the way life is though...

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  49. Hey,
    Extended

    The turning point so far is after Mrs. Dubose died and ever since there was talk about the trial. Everyone has pretty much changed. Bob Ewell has not at all though. This part of the book where Atticus gets all defense and starts loosing everything up is aan upseting part because it is so obvious that Tom isn't the bad guy but Bob Ewell is. Jem and Dill and Scout have become more invovled with the society and is getting involved with the trial and Atticus doesn't like it one bit. People in Maycomb need to learn to stop getting defensive over nothing when there wasn't proof. If there was proof fine but there wasn't. Turning point for this part is difiantly difficult because there is so much going on.

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  50. Hi,
    How was everybodys Thanksgiving? This book to read over Thanksgiving wasn't fun because it's depressing. Don't you guys think?

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  51. Final Post #8

    I would definately have to agree that the trial was one of the turning points in the story. In my opinion it makes the book alittle more interesting. I dont know if I would really like the book as much if the trial wasn't in it. How do you guys feel about the trial?

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  52. Focus 8 (Amanda Johnson)

    I also think that the trial was a major turning point for the story. It really showed how much Atticus really does care about the truth and who he is defending. The book says how much Atticus cares about everyone no matter what their color, and this trial is proof of it,. It also shows that he has morals and boundaries.
    Bob Ewell’s true colors show in this trial as well. It shows that Bob must live in this alternate universe or something, because he really does think that everyone thinks he’s a good person, and is surprised that Atticus doesn’t believe him. When to us reads, we know that he’s lying and don’t believe one word that comes out of his mouth.
    Jem and Scout are also showing how much they’re growing up and understanding their surroundings. They begin to not only comprehend the situation that is occurring, but why people are acting and reacting the way they are. Jem shows his understanding in not only the way he talks, but the way that he trys to explain some things to Scout.

    Amanda Johnson

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  53. Hello, my names is William S. I'm a sophomore a Westosha Central. I'm not in this discussion group but I'd like to contribute my thoughts.

    Focus 8 - Expand
    I think that some turning points in the book include:
    Miss Maudie's house fire because it changes the way Jem and Scout looked at Boo Radley.
    Mrs. Duboses death because it reveals how differently the children view people compared to Atticus.
    Tom's sentencing because it shows the children how prejudice can cloud pepoles' judgement and how innocent people are convicted only because of race.
    I think the Tom's conviction is the biggest turning point because the trial is viewed through the eyes of the children who see through Tom's race and can tell that he's innocent. At the trial the children begin to understand that life isn't always fair.

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  54. Focus 9:
    Harper Lee’s theme of social injustice is still relevant today because there are still people who are racist. Some people still view white people as superior to black people even though this is not right. We have made strides since 1935 in making everyone equal, but we still have a long way to go. I think that you have to keep sending the message to people our age and younger that we are all human beings, we are all equal. If children have this message in their heads when they grow up then they will practice this. Right now we still have people who grew up when people weren’t equal and some people haven’t let go of those ideas. In my community most of the racist comments are towards Aboriginal people. It isn’t that bad in my town but it gets a lot worse when you go to the city. What about you guys?
    Discuss the meaning of the following quote: "Atticus had used every tool available to free men to save Tom Robinson, but in the secret courts of men's hearts Atticus had no case. Tom was a dead man the minute Mayella Ewell opened her mouth and screamed" (323).
    This quote means that Atticus put all of his effort into the trial but there was still no way that he could of saved Tom’s life. As soon as Mayella screamed it made it look like Tom was a monster. Since Tom is black that is enough for him to be convicted in Maycomb which is just wrong! It didn’t matter how much hard evidence Atticus presesnted that made it very clear that Tom was innocent the jury couldn’t see past the colour of his skin.

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  55. Hey,

    Final Focus #9

    The quote of Atticus means that He tried his hardest to get Tom free from jail time and what not because he knew that he didn't do it. Tom knew he didn't do it and told the court what he was doing and what Mayella did. But once again, since Mayella is white and Tom is black, he loses and she wins. IT SUCKS IF YOU ASK ME.... he does not deserve that and know look, he's dead. What do you guys think about Tom being dead now? How do you think Tom's wife and kids are taking it? Scout is saying that Jem has two different minds and she can't understand it. She wants to understand her brother but he's difficult. Jem knows what kinds of things Hitler did and is doing so he has a right to be mad but Scout doesn't and nobody wants to explain it to her. Jem is mean at home because that's just how older brothers are right?

    Extended:

    Her social injustice is still relevant today because blacks are still getting blamed for things they didn't do or they are getting more of a consequence then whites are. I'm not saying any names but a friend of mine got suspended for 2 days for scooping a girl and then my other friend got 3 days for the same reason but he's black, so that's how. I'm sick of racist jokes and behavior.

    *How are you guys liking this book? My favorite part isn't till chapter 31:)

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  56. I agree with you when you say, "we have a long way to go." There are many people in this country and all around the world who still do not accept people outside of their own race. It's disgusting how people discrimate against blacks, asians, etc. Racism is still very present, even in the small town of Salem, WI. Such a tiny population with large amounts of hatred.
    I have witnessed first hand how mean and disrespectful people can be. I don't understand why people behave in this manner, maybe it's becuase they believe their race is superior but that still is under no circumstances a good enough reason to disrespect others.
    "You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view - until you climb into his skin and walk around in it."
    I think racists need to take this advice from Atticus (Harper Lee).

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  57. Final post #9

    Kelsey you made a good point about the whole social injustice topic. I would have to agree with you on that. I have always thought that all races should just get along because the only big difference is color and that shouldn't really matter. In my town we dont have a problem with race. Most people here get along pretty well. Which I like alot and I am glad I dont have to deal with all that kind of drama.

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  58. As to your question Bridgette, Tom's wife took his death very hard but she continued to work and earn money for the family.

    As to your other question, Toms death plays a huge role in the message of this book which you should find out very soon!

    Hope that answered your questions.

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  59. Hey,
    As for you Dustin, Yes that answered my question. I have read this book once before and I got confused with what happens with his wife or kids. Okay, thanks; I did find the message but I am still confused about it even though I read it once before.
    Marilyn Zupkoff,
    I understand what you are saying and I have witnessed it to from people in my family and I get so irretated about it. "FREE AT LAST! FREE AT LAST! THANK GOD ALMIGHTY! WE ARE FREE AT LAST!" By: Martin Luther King Jr. I Have A Dream speech. I agree 100% with that speech:)This world needs to live in peace so that we don't have anymore fighting or controversery.

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  60. Focus 10:
    I think the most heroic character in the novel is Atticus. I think he is the most heroic because Atticus always stands up for what he believes in even if people look down on him for it. He knows what is right and fights for it. He also passes these important messages on to Scout and Jem. He isn’t racist and is trying hard to change all the sterotypical views that exist. Because of him his children respect everyone and can see what is right and wrong from a very young age. He fought his hardest for Tom and put a lot of ideas in the townspeople’s heads. He is a great role model for his kids and they look up to him and always take his advice. Atticus always sees the best in people and never judges. He is kind, intelligent, fair, strong, and wise. Because of these reasons I think Atticus is the hero of the novel. However, I also think that Boo becomes a hero in the end for saving Scout and Jem when Mr. Ewell attacks them. He proves that he isn’t a hideous monster and that he has always been looking out for the children. What do you guys think?

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  61. Final Focus #10:
    In my opion I think it is Scout. I think Scout is the most heroic because all through the book her attitude and everything else is changing. She stands up for what she believes in. She mostly does what is right. Yes, Kelsey I believe and understand why you are saying Atticus. He is also heroic so I do agree with you. Boo is a very surprising character because you don't see what he is really like until the end of the book. He personally is one of my top favorite characters. It would go Scout, Boo, Atticus and then Jem. Mr. Ewell should have been killed a long time ago; like after the whole Tom inncodent. Which isn't right that he got punished for. It's hard to believe how many different aspects there are to this book. It starts out as one mood and then changes to another. What do you guys think?

    Kelsey, How did you like chapter 30 and 31? Especially since Boo came out?

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  62. What would you guys rate this book?

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  63. Final post #10

    Kelsey, I like what you had to say about Atticus being the hero of the story. I think that you made a good point about it and I would have to agree with you on that. I think that Atticus, in the book, did a great good raising his children. They have respect towards everyone and even colored people. Which Atticus is like that to. But I also think that Boo would be a hero in the story. He had saved Jem and Scouts lives when they were being attacked. I thought from that beginning of the story that Boo was gonna turn out to be a good guy. How did you guys feel about Boo in the beginning and then how do you feel about him now?? I liked the book the best at the ending. I thought the most interesting chapters were the ending ones.

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